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spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« on: January 25, 2010, 09:12:38 am »
the following statements in the England vs. America thread look like a good topic for a debate

spuriousmonkey : Carl sagan has a christian agenda. I don't like that.
KillaThon : Sagan didnt have a Christian agenda.

over to you gents
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 01:38:37 pm »
This is what he would have sounded like if he was a Christian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ZLSnIYE94

(parody)
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 09:28:13 am »
Well, I assumed Carl wasn't raised as a christian, jew or any other religious faction than christianity. So I might be wrong about the specific cult, but it is hardly a secret he incorporated religious connotations, references, and themes in his work whenever possible.

As evidence I put forward the novel written by this "objective" gentleman, called contact. If that isn't a piece of religious propaganda then I don't know what is.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 01:07:00 pm »
The Christians in Contact were straw men just like that Military guy.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 05:09:30 am »
The theme of the book is that the universe was created by a creator.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 01:09:43 pm »
Oh yeah.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 02:27:53 am »
Yes.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 04:15:38 pm »
and the winner is ...

i don't know really
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 04:24:59 pm »
Sagan will be spinning on his cloud.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 02:03:43 am »
There are only losers in a debate.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2010, 04:46:52 pm »
Carl Sagan is like Hitler, yet unlike him in many ways.

Sorry, out to prove Godwin's Law....
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 02:28:36 am »
am i supposed to lock the thread now ? :-\
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 03:31:28 am »
Depends on if you are happy with the outcome.

We probably would each have to have a copy of the work in question and throw quotes at each other underlined with interpretations.

However, I did own a copy of contact once, but threw it away because I knew I would never read this piece of crap again in my life.

I was sorely disappointed with it because of the religious ending.

hence I remember.
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Re: spuriousmonkey vs. killathon : carl sagan has a christian agenda
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 03:41:05 am »
never felt the inclination to read Sagan's "Contact"
being an SF fan of the old school, i probably had some foreboding about a novel by Sagan - it would either be sci-fi or a didactic work pretending to be a novel
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"Tiny minds need to shrink the grand concepts of the universe until they fit the size of their tiny mind"
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