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who's the more virtuous ?
« on: January 31, 2010, 05:56:15 pm »
on what grounds would you define someone to be virtuous ?

say someone has the opportunity to cheat on his wife

he can either :

* act on the opportunity and be successful
* act on the opportunity and get rejected
* consider the opportunity but chickens out
* consider the opportunity but decides not to
* doesn't see the opportunity when it's staring him in the face

presumably there's other possible scenarios - but which does exhibit real virtuousness ?
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Re: who's the more virtuous ?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 05:58:53 pm »
one you didn't mention: sees the opportunity but doesn't seize it, as opposed to actually considering it or not seeing it.

of the ones you mentioned: the one considering it and not seizing it.
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Re: who's the more virtuous ?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 05:59:46 pm »
If he cannot see the opprotunity, is he ignorant or innocent?
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Re: who's the more virtuous ?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 06:02:19 pm »
could be both - likewise you could ask whether a blind man is virtuous for not eyeing up the girls
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Re: who's the more virtuous ?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 06:03:32 pm »
But if he wants to eye up on the girls...
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Re: who's the more virtuous ?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 06:05:00 pm »
therefore i think he ain't. like a child that hasn't done anything, neither positive nor negative. virtue is however a positive thing... so, as i said, there has to be a decision made in order for him to get credit on either side
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